[edit] i put up the last few messages from the argument, hopefully ending it. its not much, just a few replies.

this is a simple argument i've had on Facebook (of all places) with a few theists. this seems to be the end of it, but if they speak again, i'll put it up. of course, you know my name is Chase (which will be portraying my place in the argument) and Person 1, 2, 3, and 4 are the religious fanatics put in their extra coins. it all started when Person 4 posted a status saying "theres more to things than hopping in the sack." to which someone replied "its better when your married." i simply asked why is it better when your married. then this started. please, read carefully cause the only way i can seperate it was by spaces.


Person 1: Sex complicates the dating relationship so that you cannot make sound decisions. Besides, it is a sin (Hebrews 13:4).



Chase: no one said you had to be in a dating relationship for sex. what exactly do you mean about 'sound decisions?' sinning doesn't apply to me, so that says nothing.



Person 2: you're right. And Hebrews 13:4 sums it up. Thank you, (Person 1.)



Person 1: All have sinned, who are able to discern right from wrong, Chase. It doesn't matter whether we think it applies to us or not.



Person 3: 1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.



Chase: I'm an Athiest, ex Satanist, sinning is my lifestyle. I just don't call it sinning. only you do cause it's your label for being your natural self. I hurt no one, I only induldge in everything I love, and that would be called a sin.



Person 1: "I'm an Athiest, ex Satanist"

I find that the most ironic thing I have heard all day.



Chase: how so?



Person 1: 1 Peter 5:8; Job 1:6 - God and Satan are the only two spiritual forces in the universe. One of good [God] and one of evil [Satan].

An Atheist says that God doesn't exist. A Satanist says that Satan is real. Does an ex-Satanist think that Satan no longer exists? One would have to, if they were consistent.

Actually, in Scripture if one doesn't follow God, they are following Satan. So, an atheist cannot be anything but a Satanist, by definition.



Chase: no no. i was a LaVeyan Satanist. my mistake, i should've worded that correctly the first time. and yes, it goes without saying that it irony is involved.

if scripture labels us Atheists as Satanists, then that is what it shall be. to you, anyway. to the rest of us, its useless.



Person 1: What did Anton get when he died? Being tight with Satan and all.



Chase: its blatant you have no clue what LaVeyan Satanism is about if you ask that sort of question.



Person 1: He started the Church of Satan in California in 1969 and wrote the Satanic Bible. Anyway, what benefits does a Satanist get when they die, as opposed to everyone else who will go to hell?



Chase: its not your theist Satan. it contrasts all to do with your Satan, the only thing they share is the name. the Wikipedia page you just checked to read up on it, dont x out just yet, read up a little bit more and you'll might find out a few more things if they mention anything. it may not explain it all, so you might have to read The Satanic Bible to really see what's going on. but, if your a little impatient, and quick with your sarcasm, perhaps i should just tell you. nah, i wont. find out yourself. then if it's still important to you, we will finish the conversation. but it'd be useless, since you would already know what you wanted.



Person 1: I didn't go to Wikipedia for anything. I didn't need to do so. Thank you for your non-answer. Hope you have a great week.



Person 1: Chase. God still believes in you and loves you.



Chase: my mistake. it just seemed like one of those answers, ya know, where you just know a small part but pretend you know what we're talking about. unless thats actually the only thing you really know about it. but yes, i hope you find out if your interested enough. you have a great week, as well. take care.



Chase: you see, (to Person 1), it was going great until you said such a thing. please, dont give me any of that bullshit. your just mocking me, and i do not appreciate it.



Person 1: Chase, I don't need to know all of the chemical intricacies of poison, only that it will kill me if ingested. I sincerely, no lie, do wish you a a good week and no, I wasn't mocking you. You need lots and lost of prayer and I mean that very sincerely. And you were doing fine until you used profanity.



Person 4: Whoa, this was quite a colorful conversation!

but I have to agree with [Person 1]



Chase: theres no harm into looking up with other religions consist of. which is part of the problem, cause everytime you hear of say..an ethnic person blowing up a few people, they're quick to blame it on their religion. if anything, looking up other religions and beliefs should make yours even stronger and loving towards your god. i believed you when you wished me a great week, in which i returned the favor, im not selfish or heartless. but you mocked me when i, in perfect English, told you im an Atheist and you said god still believes in me and loves me. to me, thats definitely mocking me and insulting. how would you like it if i wrote a huge diatribe filled with curse words aimed at your religion and finish it with 'Hail Satan!' you wouldnt like that too much. but as much as you may think, i dont need your prayers. im living a healthy, happy life. you should pray for those who actually need it. i got one for ya, the other day i heard some guy broke his babies' arms then killed it "cause it wouldnt stop crying." or pray for Michael Jackson and his family, they certainly need it right now. pray for all those people, they're much worse off than me, pay attention to the needy instead. those prayers may take a while, so do your thing.



Person 1: Chase, I wasn't mocking you. An atheist doesn't believe in God. That is their right. However, that is a separate matter from the truism that God sill believes in and loves you.

You are young. Life may lead you down a different path when you get older.



Person 2: Does it even occur to you Chase that [Person 1] only cares for you? He doesn't even know you and he cares for you. That's what Christ has done for him. It's obvious by your hurtful and nasty language what your godless religion has done for you. We ALL need prayers because we are ALL sinners and will be til we die. He's trying to save you the heartache that will be there when you come to the judgement day unprepared. I'm so sorry you don't believe in God. As for Michael Jackson, there is no pergatory and no amount of prayer can help him now. His family and those living can be helped by prayer. Every living person can still be taught and learn what God has done for us and continues to do for us daily.



Chase: (to person 1) as long as you actually pray to those i've mentioned i will be glad that you've at least done that. i guess i watch just a little too much George Carlin and AmazingAtheist to even manage to believe, thats the perfect life for me.

(to person 2), this is just an argument. you have no clue about how i live my life. dont be so judgmental by a simple conversation. i hope your not that quick to judge others in your life. words are words, no matter how 'nasty and hurtful' they may sound. life is nasty and hurtful and i dont need the false promises of an invisible man in the sky watching me screw people before marriage and judging me for it. and i dont believe in a god who sends you to hell to be tortured, raped, burned, beaten, spat on, and miserable until the end of time (how does that work anyway? does fire burn you but your skin doesnt disintegrate? that sounds kinda fishy when you think about it.) but while all that happens, he loves you? kinda sounds like the evil part to the whole fairy tale. that comes to a bible that was edited so badly, stuff being put in, taken out, left out, and exaggerated. maybe this Jesus fellow was just the town hero cause he was a good carpenter and they decided to put his name in it cause everyone liked him. i dont know, you dont know, no one does. you just think you do. maybe im wrong, maybe your wrong. and why so quick on Michael? like he IS going to hell? if you say god forgives people as much as he does, Michael is probably sitting on a nice comfortable cloud, entertaining god personally with his dance moves. yeah, god really does a lot of good for us. especially lately. Jesus fucking Christ, everything now is so goddamn wonderful. live that shit up, people!



Person 2: Chase, you obviously don't know how to treat a Lady!!! Surely you were raised better. (to Person 4), delete his foul posts, that is my opinion.



Chase: I don't keep quiet when I'm challenged. I was raised great. it's my mind that says what it has to against a wooman, not my fists.



Person 2: And still Chase, you continue to show what your religion has done for you. This is not just an argument, this is a matter of Heaven and Hell and your soul.



Chase: i dont have a religion, Atheism is a belief. and what im showing you on here doesnt reflect how i act in life. your just a bunch of people who i've never met and are hassling me about your god, and im going to turn a cheek and let you do it then respect you? that's a big ol pile of bullshit if i say so myself. you guys have tons to learn yourself.



Person 2: I do have a lot to learn. No one is perfect and were I ever to believe that I was, then my sole purpose in life to serve God would be over.



Chase: im sure. well, I'm gonna leave ya to it. goodbye.